Learning how to approach a woman is something that has been discussed by men since the dawn of time. There are many different schools of thought on just how to approach a woman however I would like to focus on the non-verbal aspect of this skill as I feel most men forget that a first impression can make your life a lot easier.
The Issue
What men say is contradicted by how they look and how they say it. You could be saying something that is confident and attractive but you don’t look confident and attractive.
You look hunched, you’re voice is wavering, your eye contact is either way too intense or totally nonexistent and you’re not dressed like most confident hip guys. In learning how to approach a woman we will try and get you around these issues.
The How
The best thing to do is to tape yourself. I do this with all my students who I am teaching how to approach a woman and record what they say. There are a few key things I judge their success by and I don’t care if they succeed or not because sometimes they can just fluke it. They need to have their game tight so that they can handle the mice and the cheetahs.
I take a head-to-toe approach.
1) Your Voice
You need to be talking to her as if she’s the 100th attractive woman you’ve spoken to today. Easy to say, hard to do particularly when you’re anxious. You need to do at least 3 approaches for practice before you start taking yourself seriously.
The best way not to be nervous with women unfortunately is by exposing yourself to them. It sucks but it’s the only way to get you more complacent with your nerves.
The problem is, is that your voice gives you away. It’s often too fast, stilted or too soft. Either way you’re contradicting the confident things you’re saying if you’re doing one of these things.
2) Your Posture
The boring things your mother used to tell you about standing up straight were right. If only she told you that it could help you get pussy later in life, then I’m sure you’d take it more seriously. Most of us are taller than the women we’re talking to.
This causes us to hunch a bit so we don’t look too over powering. Standing up straight can be intimidating but a hunch makes you look needy, validation seeking and worst of all you just don’t stand like most confident guys do.
The secret on how your posture should be when learning how to approach a woman? Lean back. Chin slightly raised just to keep your head from sticking out from your body like a pigeon.
How far back?
We’ll my general rule is to lean back far enough so that the top of your manhood is touching firm against the inside of your zipper. I don’t mean walk around protruding your love-meat, it’s a subtle thing that is not meant for that but it does get your hips where they need to be to help direct your torso.
3) Your Eyes
Having good eye contact does not mean “do not break eye contact”. Normal people break eye contact by looking to the side and just around in general. Obviously don’t look as if you’re not paying attention but seriously avoid being someone who is basically staring at your woman as you’re talking to her.
You will develop a bad case of what my girlfriend calls “serial-killer-face”. Break eye contact every 20 seconds or so. It will help with your nerves too because looking her dead in the eye can seem quite confrontational if you’re learning how to approach a woman you just met.
4) Be within Touching Distance
One thing that ends an approach quicker than Ellen DeGeneris ends a fish burger is your “zoning”. I discuss all these things in-depth inside the course but in short when learning how to approach a woman you need to be in the “Social zone” which is standing about 0.5m – 1m away from each other.
Often there can be a lull in the conversation and both of you realize that you’re standing about a step further away from each other than real friends would when they talk. This will just reassure to both of you that you simply don’t have the level of rapport friends have, let alone lovers.
It’s just bait for awkwardness and worst of all when you’re stretching over to touch her on the side of shoulder, forearm, hard or even face it looks very unnatural and forces.
Yes this type of touching is appropriate and it is essential for knowing how to approach a woman and keep her attracted to you.
Her physical hard-wires are too potent to neglect and the earlier you start building up your touches from: getting her attention when opening, to using touches for emphasis / gesticulation then to helping bolster your verbal advances and mimic them physically.
All things essential to getting her hot fast and if you can’t do it fast and effectively then every minute more is a greater risk of losing her.
Cheers
T
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[..YouTube..] how is it when u do it and were u able to kiss them when u met them like t did. please reply cause i am learning too
[..YouTube..] PWNED.socialengineer, thanks man. i appreciate the video.
[..YouTube..] watch the girl around the 35 second mark she checks the guy out hardcore he couldve pulled her to.
[..YouTube..] i finished the entire video if you look closely so many other birds are checkin this guy out thru the video the girl in red the girl behind the shop stand..
[..YouTube..] Hey man! You are absolutely astonishing! I never thought id have the balls to do what im doin today, and its only because of you! These techniques DO actually work! Thank you so much man! I think i speak for all the other shy-guys out there when i say this, thanx for givin me tips on how to basically get laid. haha.
[..YouTube..] @bear1612 You just made my day. Thank you so much. Please contact me via PM, perhaps I can make you even faster.
[..YouTube..] @3941602 hehe didn’t pick that one
[..YouTube..] @EAWingZeroGundam unfortunately that shit aint free
[..YouTube..] @X0Pureranqe my mates gave me that belt because they said I’m the ‘bat’ man. that was before I was a professional ladies man when all they said I did was ‘bat’ (whack it).
[..YouTube..] @fetallica1 dude i was just myself and kept 4 things in mind the whole time and went off those 4 things. chill out
[..YouTube..] @MuttenPeas yeh luckily I don’t put the footage of them signing the waiver…it kills the romance
[..YouTube..] is this T?
[..YouTube..] so if i came to australia(or where you live), you’d mentor me for how much? i.e. make me do this and that.
[..YouTube..] lol, did you ask her to kiss you on the forehead at the end? good work man, it’s good how you steer the conversation so it stays upbeat and interesting. also good job making her laugh and using kino. i like your style.
[..YouTube..] @thesocialengineer HAHAHA Thats so witty lol
[..YouTube..] private message me with “WORKSHOP” enquiry in the title. It’s $3,500 for a weekend workshop, $6,800 for a week and $18,000 for 4 weeks. OR there’s my online course which is $97 a month.I’m always flying around doing workshops, I may be able to come to you as I’m doing my world tour right now through Europe then later the USA.
[..YouTube..] love the forehead
[..YouTube..] just my majour problem is intro ductions everything else is polished
[..YouTube..] i forgot to mention i suffered a horrid break up, a year later and i feel less confident than i was 2 years ago. man fuck
[..YouTube..] Hi I was wondering would this work on a guy?(c cos I’m a girl)It’s very interesting ur tips maybe it’ll work though I know I would never go out with u I was also wondering is this how u spend ur days?o and person before me I’m sorry about ur break-up but don;t u think its about time u got over it ?
[..YouTube..] Don’t feel less confident – after all, in order to have a break up in the first place, you must’ve known how to completely close the deal the first time around! When you tell a girl you had a relationship, she wont be thinking “oh he broke up”. She’ll be thinking “wow so he’s capable of having a relationship..” I’m no where near perfect, but I admit I’ve done the instant date a few times in the past. It does work. Just never took it to sexual level and conversation.
[..YouTube..] @lilacbluestorm The psychology is not always purely applicable to women. This does work on guys, your approach needs to be a lot less forthright though. This is how I spend most of my days, yes.
[..YouTube..] @DjKDM7000 Once again, as I’ve written to your posts in my other videos. You’re awesome. Love your comments.
[..YouTube..] This reminds me of the movie ‘taken’, those guy who pick up the tourist-girls.Those guys used basicly the same technique xDGood movie to watch btw
[..YouTube..] @thesocialengineer just say i iwll sleep with you and deal is sealed
[..YouTube..] I think pick up artists eventually end up in court with huge divorce settlements and really ugly kids that they have to pay for but never get to see because of the restraining orders and the herpes.
Jonathan,
Thanks for the booklet; I have been editing it, like it. Have a few more thoughts.
Simply starting a new brand for older guys might be something to think about. Once again, Seduceinseconds has a very high testosterone feel to it.
As I said earlier, I will work a girl for months. My method is based on the sociological principal that people tend to like the people they are around, and people tend to fit themselves to their group. I take my morning coffee at one place in the morning on one day, my afternoon at another place that day, and on the next day two more places, I will rotate places and make them regular for a month or so, and then not show up for a while. I learned the be inconsistent idea from another source, but the principle is solid, do not let familiarity breed contempt. When I invite a girl to coffee at a place where they have never seen me with anyone the subsequent social proof is invaluable. the women realize they have taken me for granted. It works like a charm. The next basic is that 6 months is the scientifically proven amount of time that women say is minimal to have sex with someone they find attractive. Inevitably the day comes when she is out of sorts, and I have the credibility to comment, and a natural flow begins.
Anyway, as I have aged, I have become set in my ways, and built a life, and not ‘sharing my kitchen’ is important. Keep that in mind and contrast that concept with the young guy who is wavering between getting laid or jacking off for the fourth time today. Simply titling the same material as ‘finding the woman for you’ or ‘getting to know women’ or ‘how to have better conversations’ might be effective.
Now, on the VALS system, I am a thinker/believer, and in my latter years, making me ‘satisfied’, I am happy on my own and need women for additions to my life, whereas other guys are going to be in the status seeking category, ‘getting the women you deserve’ and others in the ‘makers’ group may be interested in ‘meeting your next wife’. Sedan, sports car, pickup truck, you may want to consider recovering your material for each group and separate them. books are often just retitled and rejacketd, when then do not sell, the content remaining the same. IMHO you may want to keep in mind that you are an entrepreneur, and that is a type of person different from the vast majority.
Now, when women ask what I do, sometimes I like to say that I am a hip-hop rap artist, I am just waiting for the right label to ‘blow me up’ (laugh), and when I go to a restaurant I put myself on the list as ‘jam master Dave’ (laugh), and I am just conceited enough to think some of what I offer here could be valuable, and if you use it, I ask that you remember Ovid, and give me my props, my creds, just say you learned some stuff from ‘jam master Dave’
I have considered offering date coaching and I have a unique approach, which we may discuss one day.
I am also working on something that is unbelievably promising, still in testing, but showing great correlation, that I will probably only pass to my son. Also have been working on a technique based solely on body language, that is still problematic but it will fill that fantasy of sex with a stranger, and taken without words, and swept away that women harbor.
Really appreciate the booklet.
Oh, this was sparked by the bit in your booklet about guys who confuse women by not dressing confidently. I make it my practice to rely on as few externals as possible, believe it or not, NO, NEVER cologne, I insist that she is agreeable to me even though I smoke cigars and may have one in my mouth or hand when talking to her ( a great compliance test for me is to see if she will hold it while I go into the store) and my ‘uniform’ is jeans, pocket t- shirt, and shoes that are worn to the point that I really need to replace them, and so dirty when I take them off, even I have to laugh sometimes. That reminds me that I was doing coffee with this girl recently, and she actually asked if I was homeless, but it went well, she is hooked. Oh, full beard, untrimmed, glasses, not contacts, you know, SHE has to QUALIFY.
And Mystery is right IMHO, the game is played in comfort, I know that and speed is not everything to every guy, I guess that is my main point here, and main piece of advise, for guys like me and that may not necessarily mean age, there may be other factors, but seeing tools that will just make the ability to conversate seem more manageable may be a key for your product, you could even show the same video, with voiceover and or subtitles explaining that you have condensed the process for simplicity and that it can be more protracted, (thinking here of the bookstore pickup)
Jonathan,
I guess what is most impressive is the fact that your energy level is not over the top. I see you escalating Kino easily, getting and testing compliance, setting time constraints, and using natural conversation techniques, without a lot of this NLP nonsense. Nothing against NLP, many useful concepts and techniques there, but I hate these programs where guys try to teach hypnotizing the girl, or ‘magic bullets’, your gambits are no more difficult than leaning a joke, it is just something to know and use at the right time, employable at any time, there is no set routine to try and remember. I am currently using two: I open with ‘on a scale of 1 to 12, how much fun are we having now?’ (Usually gets a laugh) and then we move on to correcting the scale, from dead boredom to having a screaming orgasm while riding a roller coaster. And then, when we are more serious I like to go to ‘ let’s play a game, a little hypothetical: say I just won the lottery, but just a small amount, say $10,000, and I was in the mood to give it to you. You can only allocate it to three things, what are they?’ currently I am almost exclusively working on strippers, so the answers vary from ‘buy into a place like this’ to pay off my student loans, invest it for my child’s education, to clothes. Conversation flows, and it becomes easy to peg who you are dealing with.
I am impressed with the whole seduce in seconds approach, I will work a woman for months, which is fine with me, and we can get into that later, and how that reflects my age. Since you asked, I suggest becoming familiar with VALS, (wiki) and the website of the company RSI, who developed it, you will gain some insight into how a guy like me thinks.
Here are some insights, many of which you should already be familiar with: I am not that interested in ‘scoring’ like a younger guy or theses guys who have not matured. I am totally satisfied with women who fit into my life, not at all interested in going out, like staying home, do not want to
‘Sarge’, cannot stand these programs that talk about getting into ‘state’ and pumping yourself up, what’s the point, if it is not natural and easy, what’s the point? Believe me, as you age good company becomes more and more important, pussy less and less. The programs teaching sexual technique, especially stamina,, are IMHO, silly, sex at my age is just deep communication, I really do not want to work that hard, and if you do not know how to let, and I emphasize LET a woman come under your fingers, you are really out of the game. But, at this point, laying on the couch and letting my fingers caress a woman I am comfortable with ala the scene in the movie ‘cruel intentions’, is r3eally rewarding, in fact one of the reasons I do not like to date my age group is their insistence on being reassured, by having sex.
What I like about most of these programs is listening to the webinars and such, not so much for the content, as for the embeds and commands and other NLP in the closing pitches. Its’ funny.
I like your idea of validation, and I personally know that I do a lot of what I do just to know that I am still alive, and that when I act, I can get a woman to react.
I am also impressed with the lack of answering stupid questions like what I do if she doesn’t return calls.
I agree, NLP is bullshit…actually, that’s not totally fair. I’ve done many NLP courses and even did an accreditation and it’s seriously just a bunch of people who thinks their little social observations are now ‘powerful psychological tricks’. ‘Mirroring” is the most common example where they often demonstrate how people who have rapport mimick eachother’s body language. They say you can use this to control people by mirroring them first and then leading their body language into more open positioned (e.g. arms uncrossed) as they believe your physiogamy can dictate your mental thoughts.
And according to my tests this is correct, however it’s NO WHERE near as potent as they claim. These things do no work consistently they merely can help social interactions in a micro sense. These ‘magic bullets’ and ‘amazing psychological tricks’ and ‘NLP’ and ’self help cures’ usually do work but no where near close to the ‘amazing results’ they promise. Also they don’t test, show or prove that it works consistently for everyone. They’re often just some guy / girl who thinks they’re a “Guru” because they observed a few things and then they sell it.
The more money they make off these things the more they LOOK for them in social interactions and then create new products purely for the sake of creating new products or ego rather than actually approaching it strategically:
1) What’s the problem
2) What’s the best way to solve the problem
3) Hypothesise a solution
4) Test it and make sure it works consistently in many situations for all different types of people
5) Review it
6) Upgrade it (How can I make it easier to learn, easier to apply, quicker and simple enough to be used effectively by a 10 year old).
Your openers are Indirect, I predominently like to be direct and upfront because it is simply quicker and more differentiated. However, your opener is determined by what is counter intuitive. You said your openers work well with picking up strippers and I’ve been working on a product for 3 years specifically for picking up strippers but I still need more testing as it’s still a bit too hard for most guys to apply with consistent success.
You reminded me of some older research from 6 months ago I was doing on how to pick up strippers after I stumbled upon a few guys who thought they ‘had it perfected’. Wankers. I wrote a post inspired by this comment and in response to it that I’ll post up now on the PROVEN ways to pick up strippers fast.
Jonathan,
Thanks for the booklet; I have been editing it, like it. Have a few more thoughts.
Simply starting a new brand for older guys might be something to think about. Once again, Seduceinseconds has a very high testosterone feel to it.
As I said earlier, I will work a girl for months. My method is based on the sociological principal that people tend to like the people they are around, and people tend to fit themselves to their group. I take my morning coffee at one place in the morning on one day, my afternoon at another place that day, and on the next day two more places, I will rotate places and make them regular for a month or so, and then not show up for a while. I learned the be inconsistent idea from another source, but the principle is solid, do not let familiarity breed contempt. When I invite a girl to coffee at a place where they have never seen me with anyone the subsequent social proof is invaluable. the women realize they have taken me for granted. It works like a charm. The next basic is that 6 months is the scientifically proven amount of time that women say is minimal to have sex with someone they find attractive. Inevitably the day comes when she is out of sorts, and I have the credibility to comment, and a natural flow begins.
Anyway, as I have aged, I have become set in my ways, and built a life, and not ‘sharing my kitchen’ is important. Keep that in mind and contrast that concept with the young guy who is wavering between getting laid or jacking off for the fourth time today. Simply titling the same material as ‘finding the woman for you’ or ‘getting to know women’ or ‘how to have better conversations’ might be effective.
Now, on the VALS system, I am a thinker/believer, and in my latter years, making me ‘satisfied’, I am happy on my own and need women for additions to my life, whereas other guys are going to be in the status seeking category, ‘getting the women you deserve’ and others in the ‘makers’ group may be interested in ‘meeting your next wife’. Sedan, sports car, pickup truck, you may want to consider recovering your material for each group and separate them. books are often just retitled and rejacketd, when then do not sell, the content remaining the same. IMHO you may want to keep in mind that you are an entrepreneur, and that is a type of person different from the vast majority.
Now, when women ask what I do, sometimes I like to say that I am a hip-hop rap artist, I am just waiting for the right label to ‘blow me up’ (laugh), and when I go to a restaurant I put myself on the list as ‘jam master Dave’ (laugh), and I am just conceited enough to think some of what I offer her could be valuable, and if you use it, I ask that you remember Ovid, and give me my props, my creds, just say you learned some stuff from ‘jam master Dave’
I have considered offering date coaching and I have a unique approach, which we may discuss one day.
I am also working on something that is unbelievably promising, still in testing, but showing great correlation, that I will probably only pass to my son. Also have been working on a technique based solely on body language, that is still problematic but it will fill that fantasy of sex with a stranger, and taken without words, and swept away that women harbor.
Really appreciate the booklet.
ok, your game is solid,but i have a concern i want you do address. The game has rules, a code of ethics, there is no honor in a batting championship on steroids, or a world series ring on spitballs, guys not playing by the rules are users, abusers and in my opinion some of the worst kind of losers, because baseball in entertainment, the game affects women’s lives. does your material cover the code of conduct?
[..YouTube..] whats kino?
[..YouTube..] @ptung187 whats KINO ???
[..YouTube..] @ptung187 whats kino?
[..YouTube..] nice video
[..YouTube..] great job, you have a solid technique and when she give you the finger, she was totally up for the trip also at the end when she kissed your forehead.
[..YouTube..] @NavySEALxRay yep I really should charge more
another sign your industry is into a shake up consolidation, another guru sent me a survey asking what could he do to improve his product/taylor content to customer needs. ok for a business, but this shit is cultish, almost ranks as religious, dicey when guru tells his followers he is not dishing the unknown kung fu secrets, but making it up as he goes, what do you think?
this is for ‘onxiaftw’ kino is just another word for touch.
when waiting for the train, i have done some counting, the amount of
guys picked up at the station by women who greet them by touching in
any form or fashion (once in the car where it is by no means a
PDA),let alone kissing in even the most perfunctory manner is in the
seriously low single digit percentile. later, they will want to fuck.
idiots.
onxiaftw, one or two more thoughts on kino. when i want a woman’s attention, and i do this every day, even on the pretense of asking directions to the mens room, i do not speak, i lay the back of my hand or a finger on her upper arm and wait for her to acknowldge, i am going to touch you, get used to it. yesterday i took a woman to lunch, the same place i take women all the time. on the way i am running my list of who is in the pipeline, so i will not even entertain the idea that this woman is important enough to worry about the outcome. 8. the waitress, seeing me sit, says ‘unsweetened, riight, bings my tea and the returns with the yellow, pink, and blue packets, i am about to gently guide her hand to the table as i usually do, when i (for some unconscious and still unknown reason pull back, date had not yet arrived) the hurt look on her face and the deer in headlights hesitation was stunning. 9.
ok, one last example, i do have to focus on othe stuff. same scene, lunch, the girl and i are discussing politics, this is the third date, fluff is over, this is for real now. she finishes her point, i say ‘ you have beautiful hair’ her first direct compliment, i then reach a to run my fingers through her hair and she turn the back of her head to let me, i add ‘you don’t mind’ a command. i run my fingers through her hair, tell her again it’s beautiful, she says ‘you don’t know how hard i have to work to get it this way’ she turns back to me and her face is flush. now, this is key. it’s over. more importantly, i have been listening, let that sink in, so now i move on to address her point on politics. respect her, appreciate her beauty, appreciate everything about her, let her know she counts in every way, and when you are engaged with her, reassure her that she is attractvie, this is done by touch, the words to the song are true,’words are so very, unnecessary, they can only do harm.’ kino, touch her.
[..YouTube..] @rocktunes Pick up artist basically just means a man who’s into self-help for his communications skills. On the face of it it is sleazy and these videos do not best represent it but divorces and herpes….shutup mate. You’ve proven the rule that ‘every clown has an opinion’ (a good ol’ Aussie piece of wisdom).
[..YouTube..] @onxiaftw Kino = Kinesthetic = touching
[..YouTube..] @jrnoobzeron Thanks mate, the forehead kiss as an exit gambit was something I was playing with back then to make sure that I left on a playful and fun note.
[..YouTube..] @onxiaftw Kino = touching, it’s wanky terminology I no longer use, appologies.
byw there is only one pick up line everything else is cheese..
‘hi.. whats your name..’
Haha when i clicked this link on youtube i thought it was gonna be some scam stuff but i read it 2 nights ago, every bit i could read for free and yesterday on the road i pulled up next to a cute girl i didnt know and used some of the techniques on the road and got her to go to the mall and i used every thing that i learned and got laid the night i met her, and by-God she was amazing looking and i would’ve never done it had I not gone to this website.. Thanks alot bro glad you could share your wisdome
“Hi What’s your name” isn’t really counter intuitive is it? Enjoy of life of being seen as mediocre if you decide to persist with this approach (unless of course you’re in a country where ‘approaching’ never happens, then approaching alone is counter intuitive. You get it?
Wow you are amazing. I turn 21 this July and can not wait to be able to go to bars and put this to use. I’m really shy but your teachings are awesome. Have you ever watched “How I Met Your Mother”? If so your the next Barney haha